Tuesday, June 24, 2014

Get those filthy, unvaccinated kids away from my kids!

I think I’ve pieced something together based on an observation I had recently.

 Recall that common response in the vaccine debate where parents promote vaccination by saying, “Your unvaccinated kids are going to spread disease to others!” Similar statements include, “Your dirty, unvaccinated kids are going to get mine sick!” And, “Keep your germy kids away from mine!”

Setting aside the stunningly obvious issue of their children being vaccinated and therefore theoretically protected, and setting aside the super duper stunningly obvious issue of our country maintaining herd immunity thresholds long enough to theoretically eradicate disease so that the few vaccine free people shouldn't have it,  I’ve always been a little confused by this particular talking point.

I was raised in a family where if you were sick, you rested up, cleaned up your diet if applicable and focused on healing your body at home until well. We didn’t take medications to obscure or repress symptoms unless necessary for pain management. My mom didn’t “treat” a fever simply because it was a fever. She didn't try to combat the body, working against it by filling it with OTC meds routinely. We certainly weren’t dragged out into public or to hospitals and doctor offices while actively sick.

So, it took me until recently, as a mother in a peer group, to finally realize where this vaccination-disease-paranoia is coming from and why it persists. Here's what happened. A mom was holding her crying, sick child, squirting a dropper full of infant-version OTC meds down her throat. She looked up at me and said her daughter would be really unhappy if she didn't make it to this event and she had to go pick up her other child at camp.

When I saw this mom intentionally medicating her sick child so that she could attend a social event without looking sick, my mind flashed through all of it…the marketing, the products, the shelves filled with bottles and pills at the store…suddenly I realized what I had been missing all this time.

Parents today deliberately purchase products and give them to their sick children to disguise their illnesses. They deliberately medicate their children to hide the disease so that they can purposefully put their children into public places: school, daycare, camp, birthday parties, etc. Parents hide the signs of disease in their children, knowingly exposing other children to disease.

And those parents who do this are paranoid. They think parents who decline vaccination will try to “hide” measles, or chickenpox, or flu, or whatever. They think that when a vaccine-free child starts a fever, or starts to cough, or gets a rash, the parents will dope them up and send them back out to infect all the vaccinated children [who are somehow still at risk but that's another topic.]

They think if my kiddo gets sick, I will pump him full of dyed chemicals and shove him out onto a playground or into a classroom so all the other fully vaccinated children are exposed to the skeery disease. They force their sick children to do this, so they are terrified of it happening to them.

As the adage says, the liar is always paranoid of being lied to by others.

Despite being fully vaccinated on schedule, these children seem to get sick,
a lot. And their parents medicate them to put them back into the public sphere
so that we can all be unknowingly exposed to their diseases. You'd think there'd
be a national outcry or something. 

30 comments:

  1. Love this!! We don't vaccinate and we also don't use otc medication. I don't treat fevers and we use herbs, essential oils, and other natural things to help heal. I just wish more people would understand what you talk about in this post.

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  2. yes, it's a reflection of a couple of things: 1) this society is set up so that everyone is supposed to work outside of the home, with care of young children and the elderly outsourced to daycare centers, pre-school programs, & nursing homes or adult daycares. 2) this society has been (very successfully) indoctrinated with a reliance upon medical technology/drugs, whilst being convinced that all illness or symptoms are to be feared and "managed", instead of being evidence of the body working against disease. thus, most people have neither the time off work, nor the confidence and knowledge, to treat themselves or their children by resting at home and supporting the natural process. we are all part of a huge social machine that has no respect for nature, no respect for the work of mothering/caregiving. i have seen those parents administering the meds to their kids in parking lots before carrying or chivvying the groggy wee beings into daycare or school, and my heart went out to these kids who so obviously should have been at home, in bed, with a loving attendant. my heart also went out to the mothers, many of whom would rather have been at home caring for their sick children, but who felt they had no choice to do that, due to lack of work leave, a myriad of commitments, or a lack of information and support telling them that their instinct is correct.

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    1. Yes! YES! There is much more to this topic and I'm glad you brought up these points.

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  3. So love this! It is spot on to the way I feel!

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  4. This post is AWESOME! It is Exactly what happens...over and over and over again. Then the blame is placed elsewhere....on some unsuspecting innocent child and their family because a different (maybe better, IMO) choice/decisions were made that point out the incongruence of said sick family/child's choices/decisions!

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  5. I call to let people know if we are sick before we even think of going somewhere. But goodness forbid somehow even without exposure another's child happens to come down with the same illness as mine because they will find a way to blame mine! BUT on the other side they never warn anyone if they are sick; they just come over or let us come over without even a mention - I call BULLSHIT. This is EXACTLY what people think will happen.

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  6. Exactly! My kids don't go anywhere sick! Nor do they get prescribed drugs or OTC! My kids are rarely sick but if they get sick during school we run the risk of the police being called. They can only miss 10 without a doctors note and proof that meds have been taken! I have also been told "the whole school is sick so let them sleep until noon the bring them in". No wonder the whole school is sick!

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  7. Once, my daughter was home sick with a mild fever at 6 yrs old (99.5f), and coincidentally happened to get hurt bad enough to warrant a trip to an immediate care center (she fell off her top bunk bed and broke her arm). .the nurse acted like I was endangering her life and was the worst mother in the world because I had not given her tylenol for the fever.

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  8. You are so right. I used to run a daycare and parents would do this all the time. Give their kids tylenol before they drop them off. Then when it wears off and I am stuck with their sick child they tell me, "oh, I won't be able to catch the next train so I will have to get the 3:00 train, so I won't be there until 4:30 anyway." Ridiculous!

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  9. This post is biased as well. You believe that because you saw 1 or a few parents do this that all parents in similar situations do this and are paranoid. I understand that everyone has their own beliefs when it comes to vaccines, great. I don't stop my son from playing with other children simply because he was vaccinated and they weren't. I also don't medicate my child to hide illness so he can go back to daycare/school or to social events. If my child is sick, my husband or I take off work and stay home with him. The fact that you lump all parents into the same bucket makes you no better than the people who lump the parents who "don't vaccinate" into the same bucket. This is a hot issue, because no one wants their kids to be sick or in pain, but it happens. I believe in going to the doctor and getting treated. If we didn't have doctors and medications, our lifespans would equal those from previous generations. I also believe that people have a right to choose how they want to medicate or not medicate their children, without blame. In most cases, vaccines are for one version of a disease and as we all know, viruses and disease can change over time. Eradication of one type, doesn't mean that it is eradicated completely. A vaccine doesn't mean that you are completely immune, just as having chicken pox as a child, doesn't mean you will never get it again, but it can reduce your exposure. The purpose of a vaccine is to help the masses, not individuals. Regardless, everyone has the right to choose, and has to deal with the consequences of their choices, whichever way they choose. But, don't assume that all parents are the same on each side of this argument. I chose vaccination, because I want my child to be able to be socialized and educated at a young age and to prevent his exposure to possible illness in the future. What we forget is that almost everyone in our generation was vaccinated. I have had no issues due to vaccinations, neither has anyone I grew up with or know. The vaccine issue is a hot topic due to awareness and media. Today, we are bombarded by articles (true and untrue, how do we determine) about vaccinations, the best way to parent, the best foods to provide, etc. and we are a society of overbearing, overprotective parents. If we weren't overexposed to these articles and media information, we wouldn't have even considered this an issue.

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    1. Discussing a specific point in the vaccine debate is by its very nature not grouping all parents into any category. That's the point of the blog post...to delve into one fanatical way of thinking. Duh. Of course I don't think all parents are like this.

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    2. These diseases we vaccinate against are mild in childhood. The CDC admits humoral immunity wanes within 2-10 years. So by the time your children are being adults, they are unprotected and if they catch the disease it may be more serious, higher chance of complications as an adult vs the mild childhood illness. The CDC states that "herd immunity" (which is still an unproven theory) is based off of cell mediated immunity and also that vaccines only provide humoral immunity and never cell mediated immunity. Why rely on theories that don't even relate to vaccines to "protect" your families health? Have you read any clinical trials or a manufacturers insert? The MMR-ll made by Merck has over 60 possible reactions including death, SIDS, asthma, arthritis, two different types of measles, several different types of brain inflammation and injuries.

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    3. Jennifer, I appreciate your input and perspective. However, I must take issue with a couple of statements:

      "I chose vaccination, because I want my child to be able to be socialized and educated at a young age"

      What has this got to do with vaccination? Vaccinated and unvaccinated have equal opportunity for this.

      "and to prevent his exposure to possible illness in the future." Vaccination doesn't prevent exposure...at all. It might, and I repeat, might... reduce the chance of contracting the disease, but as we've seen in recent outbreaks, often 85% and in some cases even 100% of cases were vaccinated.

      And also any protection that vaccines might provide wear off, so there is no "future" protection. Almost all adults in this country are essentially unvaccinated.

      One more...."What we forget is that almost everyone in our generation was vaccinated" Wrong. At least wrong in the context of today's vaccination schedule. None of our generation (parents) were exposed to the quantities of vaccines that today's children receive. Not even close.

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    4. All parents are not like this, but there are an incredible amount of parents that DO do this exact thing! My children, who I never send out to infect others when they are ill (after all, I do not know who has a compromised immune system around me in the general public), have been made ill more times by family member's children who choose to disguise their children's coughs, fevers, even barfing/diarrhea....all in the name of "they would be so upset to miss this" or "we have already gotten everything ready for this party and there was absolutely no way to contact the 12 (related!) families that were coming over for the party". Yeah. Sorry. It happens A LOT!! While there are a lot of parents to strive to do what is right and decent, there are just as many who don't give a flying fig if they contaminate the entire family with the flu days before Christmas....because Billy & Sally would be sad to be deprived of Christmas fun just because they are sick. T

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    5. Quick point, "If we didn't have doctors and medications, our lifespans would equal those from previous generations." This is a common misconception, the reason that our lifespans have increased is due to medical care, but not in the way that you are thinking. For example, if you increase the "age of death" from 70, to say 73 that really doesn't affect the lifespan much of the whole, however, if you save a newborn from dying during birth, and they live 70 years, that has a much greater affect on the lifespan as a whole. The "increase" in lifespan, (which many pro-vaccination folks often point to as a benefit of vaccinations) is not from vaccinations, but from the fantastic increases in babies living through difficult or premature births. That is one area of the medical field that deserves applause, but to say our lifespan has increased due to vaccinations or medical care is ludicrous when you actually dig into the facts. -J

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  10. You are jumping to some seriously ridiculous conclusions. First off, you dont even seem to be aware that vaccines are not 100% reliable. Even the most staunchly pro-vaccine people know this yet you either dont know it or you intentionally left it out in order to prove your stupid argument.
    You came across ONE irresponsible parent yet you lump everyone together. I'm sorry, this kind of ignorance is pathetic and I feel sorry for your kids. Perhaps you'll change your tune if, god forbid, one of your children comes down with one of these easily preventable diseases. I pray you never know what that is like.

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    1. I do know what's it's like. :) I contracted several from my vaccines. I pray you never find out what it means to blindly trust quackery and have your child harmed from it and THEN filled with diseases from it.

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    2. How about giving OTC meds to make them FEEL better? I stay at home with my kids when they are sick. I cuddle them and nap with them (I'm lucky to be able to do so) AND I give them tylenol to reduce their misery. Every have a fever? Earache? It feels shitty.

      I'm so happy to hear you recovered from the bout of small pox, or measles, or pertussis, or polio that you contracted from your vaccines. Would that everyone were so fortunate.

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    3. I was a preschool teacher for over six years. Parents give meds before dropping kids at daycare all the time. These poor kids would come to class looking horrible and feeling horrible. If they could talk, they would let me know that they had medicine and sure enough 4 to 6 hrs later they would have a fever. In my experience, it happens all the time.

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    4. Smallpox...only the military is vaccinated for that. Are you saying you vaccinated your children for smallpox? Measles...done. Pertussis...probably done. Was so mild it wouldn't have fulfilled the CDC's clinical description. Polio...as the CDC says...over 95% of Polio cases are asymptomatic so it's quite possibly you, me, everyone has had that one. Another handful of cases present as a head cold. It's less than 1% of cases that look like that fearmongering you fall for, so who knows who all on here has actually had polio, whether vaccinated or vaccine-free.

      Rubella...had it after my secondary vaccine failure. And again, and again, and again. Thanks to whatever the vaccines did to my immune system, I never show immunity to it. So I get to wonder about your freshly vaccinated MMR kids when I'm pregnant. You probably couldn't diagnose Rubella if it smacked you in the face. It's super mild and moves fast, whereas most parents seem to think it's this scary, evil disease killing everyone left and right.

      As for making them "FEEL" better...my kids have MTHFR so no, I would never give them tylenol to make them "FEEL" better b/c the consequence of liver failure and mito disease is certain to make them "FEEL" much worse. Try researching. You can do many other things to manage and relieve pain, along with healing the body.

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    5. LOL please, what diseases did vaccines give you? Im really curious because anyoje with half a brain would realize that you are just full of it. I feel sorry for all of your vulnerable kids. All you whackjobs do is find "research"to fill your tiny brains with "facts" to fuel your fear of medicine. It isnt research. It's BS. But it's sad that those of us with scientific backgrounds cant convince you how wrong you are. It's like discussing evolution with creationists. Your minds are closed, and thats sad.

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    6. Anyone with half a brain understands that vaccinations do not produce immunity. Some of them do not prevent carriage or transmission of the disease. Some of them incite a minor form or altered form of the disease in a vaccinated individual. And most of them wear off long before the person chooses to vaccinate again as an adult.

      Furthermore, those with genetic mutations or other diseases and conditions show low or no response to disease exposure through vaccination. Secondary vaccine failure is real, as anyone with a scientific background who has actually researched the vaccine topic would readily tell you.

      Sometimes, the vaccines are responsible for the disease. It's considered rare, though of course just about nothing under shedding has ever been studied, let alone thoroughly. Still, even the manufacturers are careful to warn vaccinated individuals against exposing at-risk populations. The varicella pamphlets, for example, tell vaccinated individuals to avoid at-risk populations for six weeks.

      I have no desire to convince you, nor would I ever consider you could be convinced. It takes at least 50 hours of research to even grasp the basics in this topic. You would need to systematically read about each disease, it's transmission, presentation, complications, treatments both natural and allopathic, original epidemiology and altered epidemiology from vaccination, etc. You would need to research each licensed vaccine brand on the U.S. market, assuming you're in the country. You'd have to disseminate each pamphlet, research each ingredient listed, learn about the process of developing cell lines, absorbing antigens, etc. That doesn't even walk into the side tangents such as residual DNA and potential uptake due to the damage from intramuscular aluminum exposure or the issue of unidentified animal pathogens from contaminated animal serum/casein used in vaccine production. You couldn't even have a conversation with me, as if you weren't trolling anyways.

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  11. F'in hypocrites. Pardon the language, if shots are so Damon good they should protect against the "unprotected". The opposite is true, vaccines weaken the immune system, I don't believe in them.

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  12. Absolutely spot on! Some of the biggest loudmouth advocates for vaccination are more worried about their social lives than their children.

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  13. My kids are not filthy, they are unvaccinated. My two oldest kids have had chicken pox (caught from a recently vaccinated kid). My daughter had H1N1, but nobody else around her or in our family caught it. Other than that, my kids have not had any childhood illnesses that people vaccinate for. My oldest is going to be 20 in August, my others are 15, 7 and 4.

    Yet, if you look at statistics, the majority of the cases in the outbreaks are already vaccinated.

    It is not the unvaccinated who are "filthy".

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  14. I love your replies to the trolls. Keep up the good fight!

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  15. Love this post! I totally agree, we (our children) are unvaccinated and more healthy than any of our friends or family members. My kids are/were also breastfed and we follow the WAPF lifestyle. My husband and 2 year old both caught H1N1 this year but each only had a fever for less than <12 hrs, you would have never even known our 2 year old had it! Keep up the good fight!

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  16. I'm sorry to hear that anyone would respond that way to anyone else for any reason. I'm surrounded by a lot of vaxxers who have never behaved that way, nor have I even though I vaccinate my children and my self also. I think those are probably in the minority, kind of like the loud mouths of any group.

    I can safely say that I don't medicate my children to hide that they are sick ever. That though has never crossed my mind as a potential motivation. I give them medication now and again (not constantly) if they are having a hard time resting. It's hard to get better if you can't rest or sleep. That is how I was raised. I don't send my kids to school sick unless it's a cold (only because if I kept them home for every cold I'd get called to court for them having missed too much school). When they stay home - I refrain from going places to take care of them, and we make no secret of being ill. Whenever someone asks why we are home, or wants to come over, I forewarn them that we are sick at our house.

    I guess I find this post a little overly extreme... and about as obnoxious as those who claim that non-vaccinated people are "filthy". Perpetuating bullying on either end of this is just sad. Buying into extremes and stereotypes based on them is also sad. I'd expect you to know better Guggie.

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