Wednesday, February 4, 2015

9 Signs You're Debating with a Pro-vaccine Narcissist

What I usually see when it comes to vaccine discussion are parents with a variety of opinions and decisions, who tend to respect others' decisions. For example, several of my friends vaccinate, some on time, some delayed, some very selectively. Some of them vaccinated and then stopped. Some do not vaccinate at all. Most of them are quiet about the topic, or simply support what other parents have decided for their family.

Unfortunately, with wave after wave of seemingly orchestrated media campaigns whipping up a frenzy, I've noticed a minority that appears to want to drag the discussion down to a dysfunctional, even abusive level. I've seen people rallying around the idea of throwing parents into jail, kidnapping their children to forcefully vaccinate them, calling for fines, advising other parents to call CPS on family members, etc.

This growing sentiment is militant, but it also reminded me of a topic I've been researching for the last few months. As I started to read the numerous comments and posts in my newsfeed, I couldn't help connecting the dots. I would never personally diagnose individuals, nor is that the point of this post, although I'm sure someone out there will attempt to twist it that way. It's not a new concept at all, actually. Many an author and public researcher has warned about an alarming increase in narcissism and you can find a slew of articles and books discussing the "culture of narcissism" or "epidemic of narcissism" going on in our country right now.

More importantly and perhaps completely overlooked is how parents are easily manipulated. With a little pandemonium over measles, we've all forgotten about some really big issues.

How about the senior research scientist who admitted data was manipulated in a vaccine/autism study? Here is his legal statement.

While everyone was busy trying to jail all the "antivaxx" parents, did anyone hear about the judge who refused to dismiss a case from two former Merck employees on fraud? Read about it here.

You can find plenty more, if you stop waving pitchforks at other parents long enough to read. India is having a hard time right now. China already finished up the bribery case with a vaccine company.

Maybe, this militant group drawing fire on the extreme minority (0.5-1.49%) of vaccine free citizens is merely a puppet for a larger industry that doesn't want attention right now. Reminds me of the formula industry and their talented play on the mommy wars.

Take a look for yourself. Let's categorize the common statements, arguments, and core beliefs of militant vaccine proponents.

Has a grandiose sense of self-importance:
-Other parents must sacrifice their children for her and/or her children.
-The rest of society must comply to protect her health/children's health.
-He feels so important that he believes other parents must be forced by the government to vaccinate their children.

Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love:
-If every single person is forced to be vaccinated, society will end all disease (dying, suffering).
-These magical vaccines are society's ultimate answer.
-Vaccination will fix everything without any side effects or downsides.
-If she can only make every single person get every single vaccine, she will have control of disease.

Believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions):
-He says the "unvaxxed" should be forced to live in patrolled communes.
-Thinks anti-vax people are stupid and perpetually diseased, and thus should be shunned.
-Unvaxxed kids should be forced into their own schools.
-She wouldn't expect them to understand, science is too much for them.
-He doesn't have friends with those silly notions. He only likes science-minded people.

Requires excessive admiration: 
-Refuses to discuss any potential side effects or downsides of the decision to vaccinate.
-Becomes defensive and critical if vaccination is questioned.
-Immediately takes vaccine discussion personally, accuses the other person of judging or calling him a bad parent.

Has a very strong sense of entitlement, e.g., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations:
-Believes other parents should be inconvenienced to stay away from her children such as by avoiding public areas regardless of current health.
-Claims that she has a right to sue parents of vaccine free children over illnesses.
-Automatically defaults to vaccinated individuals, i.e. the vaccinated receive preferred treatment in public areas and the vaccine-free must leave or be marked with special badges and paperwork.

Is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends:
-Promotes "herd immunity" the idea that innocent children should be sacrificed to protect him.
- Defends a program that eliminates the bodily integrity and human rights of other people.
-Expects a percentage of children to be killed or maimed by vaccines for his goals.

Lacks empathy, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others:
-Denies vaccine injuries.
-Mocks parents of injured children or claims they are lying.
-Attempts to compare and judge conditions in a callous manner, such as claiming autism is better than contracting measles.
-Dismisses or ridicules individual beliefs, opinions, or medical needs.

Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her:
-Complains that vaccine-free families didn't have to sacrifice as much as they did with vaccination.
 -Accuses vaccine free people of "riding on the backs of" vaccinated people.

Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes:
-Have you read anything about vaccines lately? 'Nuff said.


  1. I greatly appreciate the article, & found its timing very interesting, as recently, I've been thinking a lot on the concept of narcissism - even sharing a series of questions on the topic in a group I frequent within the past day or so.

    I've noticed what you're referring to, & in fact, actually made one of the memes you used. (The Lord Farquaad meme) Glad to see it being put to such good use.

    I shared a link for your article as a preface to the FAQ attached to the reupload of the original meme. (The original was deleted in an attack on my page last November.)

    Thanks for putting it to such good use, & I love the article.

    1. I would love to give credit! I'm thinking you might want your work to be anonymous due to posting anonymously? But if that's not the case, please contact me!

    2. I'm happy with things as they are. Just really glad to be seeing it put to good use, & found it awesome that you chose to tie together themes that I've been musing on heavily recently - vaccination & how it pertains to human rights, coupled with narcissism - which I've definitely been noticing plenty of displayed in how the zealots behave.

      I'd be more than happy to speak with you sometime, & your facebook page has some messages from me, if you'd like to converse in a more discreet way. You brought it all together very succinctly. :D Peace. <3

    3. Ah, that explains it! My computer/Chrome extension has had some problems accessing the page inbox. I will have to get onto another computer and chat it up!

    4. Medical Fascism - don't let it happen again:

  2. Thanks. Really well written. And so logical!

    1. Not really, this person exaggerates what people have said. They make it seem like people who get vaccines are stupid and illogical.

  3. Very well explained
    May I add a note on
    Manipulism and the Weapon of Guilt, © 2014 Mikkel Clair Nissen

    It describes in much detail, both psychologically, as well as socially, the destructive effects of narcissism and collectivism (the 'liberal-progressive-collectivist-socialist' mindset)

    I wrote some brief notes, in order to recommend it as many people as possible :

    find it at :

    and here the links to Mikkel Claire Nissen

    the book / ( e-book, too )
    an interview…/mikkel-clair-nisse…

    Manipulism and the Weapon of Guilt

    Were I not of a libertarian mindset, I would make this book mandatory reading in school, teachers included, for all current politicians and bureaucrats, for all parents and would be parents - in short for all.

    Alas, coercion is not my style, thus, all I can do is encourage... no, implore you to read 
Manipulism and the Weapon of Guilt

    I will go so far as to consider it one of the most important books to understand the current political scene and trends, and social and economical upheavals especially in the Western world.
This is not a book only about Denmark!

    It is an easy and quick read;
“ Manipulism and the Weapon of Guilt: Collectivism Exposed
is the utmost controversial exposé and carefully detailed description of the awful emotional mind game that facilitates communism, socialism, and social-liberalism, known as collectivism. The book exposes Denmark, the supposed happiest nation on earth, for what it truly is: collectivism's biggest propaganda hoax. Danish author Mikkel Clair Nissen tells the hidden facts and realities of life in Denmark’s democratic-socialism that they never want you to know. “

  4. This is so very well thought out and written. Thank you for putting it out there. These are my thoughts exactly, except you express it better than I ever could.

  5. This is a welcome change from claiming every pro-vaxxer is a shill, I suppose. Credit where credit is due.

  6. This isnt necessarily true. People dont want to put "anti-vaxers" in guarded camps, thats just plain silly. Vaccines wont get rid of all diseases, but without them easily preventable diseases are killing people, especially small children who cant get vaccinated. Vaccination are not just for one person, they help all of us. Anyways, the claim that vaccines cause autism has been widely disproven through numerous studies.

    1. You don't get around much on social media, eh. ;)

  7. When people talk to me about vaccines it feels like unconsensual sex. Wouldn't want to say rape but that's about how creepy it feels. I say, no thanks and yet they force their beliefs and ideals on me. Almost like there is no option but you take it or be a victim. So is it a choice?! I said no TEA!